{"id":16316,"date":"2018-01-09T19:01:25","date_gmt":"2018-01-09T18:01:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.obracun-placa.com\/?p=16316"},"modified":"2018-01-26T09:35:29","modified_gmt":"2018-01-26T08:35:29","slug":"kaos-sa-poreznim-karticama-radnika-od-01-01-2018","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.obracun-placa.com\/index.php\/obracun-placa\/kaos-sa-poreznim-karticama-radnika-od-01-01-2018\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Kaos&#8221; sa poreznim karticama radnika od 01.01.2018."},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Novo: PU\u00a0Izdavanje i upis promjena na PK kartici od 1. sije\u010dnja 2018. &#8211; naj\u010de\u0161\u0107e postavljena pitanja <span style=\"font-size: 8pt;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><a style=\"color: #ff0000;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.porezna-uprava.hr\/Lists\/Vijesti\/Vijest.aspx?ID=2048&amp;RootFolder=%2FLists%2FVijesti&amp;Source=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.porezna-uprava.hr%2FStranice%2FNaslovnica.aspx\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">LINK<\/a><\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Pri\u010da oko dostupnosti poreznih kartica putem sustava e-porezna je krenula sa &#8220;Zakonom o porezu na dohodak&#8221; NN 115\/16 <strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000; font-size: 8pt;\"><a style=\"color: #ff0000;\" href=\"https:\/\/narodne-novine.nn.hr\/clanci\/sluzbeni\/2016_12_115_2525.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">LINK<\/a><\/span><\/strong>\u00a0(\u010dlanak 26. Zakona). Zakon, koji je objavljen krajem 2016. godine predvi\u0111ao je implementaciju PK kao dio servisa e-porezna od 01.01.2018. Veselili smo se mogu\u0107nosti, da poslodavac kroz sustav e-porezna ima mogu\u0107nost uvida u PK kartice svojih zaposlenika. Stigao je i taj dan. <strong>Na \u017ealost, kako to ve\u0107 kod nas ide, razvija se praksa prema kojoj \u0107e ova promjena biti zna\u010dajno administrativno optere\u0107enje poslodavcima. Poku\u0161ava se sav posao oko promjene podataka u poreznim karticama zaposlenih osoba prebaciti\u00a0 na poslodavce!!!<\/strong> Promjenu na vlastitoj poreznoj kartici mo\u017ee pokrenuti radnik sam za sebe putem sustava e-gra\u0111ani. <strong>Po &#8220;Zakonu&#8221; poslodavac nije obavezan mijenjati podatke na poreznoj kartici (\u010dlanak 26. stavak 4)!\u00a0 \u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\" style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">\u010clanak 26. Zakona o porezu na dohodak NN 116\/17<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\" style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">(2) Poreznu karticu iz stavka 1. ovoga \u010dlanka, <strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">poslodavcu i isplatitelju pla\u0107e ili mirovine ili samom poreznom obvezniku dostavlja elektroni\u010dkim putem Porezna uprava na njegov zahtjev i uz suglasnost radnika,<\/span><\/strong> odnosno fizi\u010dke osobe koja ostvaruje primitke od nesamostalnog rada, dok za umirovljenika \u2013 korisnika mirovine koju ispla\u0107uje Hrvatski zavod za mirovinsko osiguranje podatke bitne za utvr\u0111ivanje predujma poreza na dohodak Porezna uprava dostavlja elektroni\u010dkim putem po slu\u017ebenoj du\u017enosti.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\" style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">(3) Iznimno od stavka 2. ovoga \u010dlanka, <strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">a<\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">ko<\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"> poslodavac i isplatitelj pla\u0107e ili mirovine ili sam porezni obveznik nije korisnik sustava ePorezna ili ne ishodi suglasnost radnika ili umirovljenika, poreznu karticu mo\u017ee besplatno izdati Porezna uprava u papirnatom obliku<\/span><\/strong>, a poslodavci i isplatitelj pla\u0107e ili mirovine du\u017eni su je \u010duvati dok radnik, umirovljenik i fizi\u010dka osoba koja ostvaruje primitak od nesamostalnog rada kod njih radi, odnosno dok se ispla\u0107uje mirovina ili primitak po osnovi nesamostalnog rada.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\" style=\"padding-left: 60px; text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">(4)<span style=\"color: #333333;\"> Radnik, umirovljenik i fizi\u010dka osoba koja ostvaruje primitke iz \u010dlanka 21. ovoga Zakona <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">obvezni su svaku promjenu u svezi s uzdr\u017eavanim \u010dlanovima, promjenu prebivali\u0161ta ili uobi\u010dajenog boravi\u0161ta i drugo, koja utje\u010de na osobni odbitak<\/span>, odnosno neoporezivi dio dohotka, prijaviti Poreznoj upravi, u roku od 30 dana od dana nastanka promjene, <strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">putem svog poslodavca ili izravno putem sustava e-gra\u0111ani ili iznimno putem nadle\u017ene ispostave Porezne uprave<\/span> i dostaviti vjerodostojne isprave.<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Zadnjih dana u praksi se doga\u0111a slijede\u0107e:\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<li class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Radnik ne mo\u017ee sam za sebe prvi puta podignuti poreznu karticu na e-gra\u0111ani a porezna ga upu\u0107uje poslodavcu iako poslodavac nema (a niti \u017eeli) suglasnost radnika. Porezna mimo svega ne daje radniku papirnatu verziju PK ve\u0107 je \u0161alje poslodavcu elektronskim putem.\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Radnika koji dolazi u ispostavu porezne uprave\u00a0radi\u00a0promijene PK porezna uprava upu\u0107uje na poslodavca (&#8220;to od 01.01.2018. rade poslodavci&#8221; ili &#8220;iznimno \u0107e to napraviti jer sustav e-porezna jo\u0161 ne funkcionira u potpunosti ali ubudu\u0107e to \u0107e raditi poslodavci&#8221;)<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Pri\u010da ide u smjeru da poslodavac mora od radnika tra\u017eiti suglasnost i nakon toga za njega preuzimati elektronsku PK\u00a0 i kada za to postoji potreba provoditi\u00a0 a\u017euriranja podataka na PK\u00a0(uz prikupljanje odgovaraju\u0107e, vjerodostojne, dokumentacije). I dok je mogu\u0107nost preuzimanje elektronske, a\u017eurne, PK dobro do\u0161la novost, obaveza a\u017euriranja PK to svakako nije.\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Zgranuti smo ovim postupkom i neosjetljivim\u00a0 postupanjem zakonodavca\u00a0jer se poslodavca dodatno optere\u0107uje administrativnim obavezama. <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Za\u0161to bi poslodavac morao sakupljati vjerodostojne isprave i besplatno odra\u0111ivati dosada\u0161nji posao porezne uprave?\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Tko \u0107e snositi odgovornost\u00a0 u slu\u010daju kada na PK zavr\u0161i olak\u0161ica koja\u00a0tamo nije smjela zavr\u0161iti? Poslodavac?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Uskoro stupa na snagu uredba o za\u0161titi osobnih podataka (GDPR). Za\u0161to se poslodavca optere\u0107uje sa dodatnim osobnim dokumentima (podacima ) o kojim mora voditi ra\u010duna?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>Na\u0161e mi\u0161ljenje:\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Odli\u010dna je mogu\u0107nost da poslodavac, preko e-porezna, ima uvid u a\u017eurnu elektronsku PK radnika.\u00a0S druge strane, mimo zakonskih odredbi, poku\u0161ava se poslodavcima nametnuti obaveza a\u017euriranja podataka na PK!\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Zakon ne ka\u017ee da poslodavac mora preuzimati elektronske PK. Zakon ne ka\u017ee da poslodavac\u00a0mora imati suglasnost radnika. Porezna uprava MORA radniku koji nije dao suglasnost poslodavcu izdati PK. Poslodavac NE MORA\u00a0mijenjati podatke na PK radnika (<strong>stavak 4. zakona ka\u017ee da to radi poslodavac ili osoba izravno putem e-gra\u0111ani ili iznimno nadle\u017ena ispostava PU<\/strong>). Ve\u0107 vidimo da \u0107e u narednim danima tuma\u010denja i\u0107i u smjeru da za osobu koja je zaposlena to radi poslodavac, &#8230; \ud83d\ude41<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Box_452943 T-9-8 pleft -None-\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Budu\u0107i da radnik, preko e-gra\u0111ani, ima mogu\u0107nost podnositi zahtjev za promjenu olak\u0161ica u PK neka to rje\u0161ava samostalno ili neka ide u ispostavu PU.\u00a0 Za\u0161to bi poslodavac \u017eelio ovu dodatnu odgovornost i tro\u0161ak vremena? Smatram kako svi mi kojih se ti\u010de ova nova zakonska regulativa <strong>ne<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><strong>smijemo popustiti i moramo se svim snagama boriti <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">protiv poku\u0161aja nametanja prakse prema kojoj bi poslodavac bio prva destinacija za promjenu podataka na PK radnika<\/span>!!! Ostaje nam za vidjeti ho\u0107emo li se uspjeti oduprijeti ili \u0107emo na kraju, opet, pognuti glave, &#8230;\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 18pt; color: #ff0000;\"><strong>NADOPUNA\u00a012.01.2018<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Predstavnici IPRH (<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/iprh.eu\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">www.iprh.eu<\/a><\/strong>)\u00a0 su pozvani sastanak u sredi\u0161nji ured PU sa ciljem rje\u0161avanja nedoumica oko postupanja s PK. Sastanak je odr\u017ean u sredi\u0161njem uredu PU 12.01.2018. Informacije\/zaklju\u010dci sa sastanka\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">izdavanje i promjene PK kartica su mogu\u0107e u PU, putem e-gra\u0111ani i preko poslodavca putem e-porezne =&gt; <strong>NEMA OBVEZE POSLODAVCA TO JE SAMO MOGU\u0106NOST<\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">u slu\u010daju kad to radi poslodavac sve promjene se provjeravaju u PU, te ako je ne\u0161to sporno ide povratna obavijest =&gt; <strong>NEMA ODGOVORNOSTI POSLODAVCA U SMISLU UNOSA OLAK\u0160ICE NA PK. POSLODAVAC UNOSI ZAHTJEV A PU\u00a0PROVJERAVA ISTINITOST\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">sve unesene promjene va\u017ee\u0107e su od narednog dana tako da je preporuka da prije obra\u010duna i isplate pla\u0107e pogledate u e-poreznoj za odre\u0111enog obveznika ima li u pretincu eventualna izmjena neke PK kartice (sve izmjene \u0107e dolaziti u pretinac e-porezne)<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">\u010dim radnik ode iz poduze\u0107a,\u00a0 odnosno \u010dim ga se odjavi s HZMO,\u00a0 automatski se mi\u010de dostupnost PK biv\u0161em poslodavcu i poslodavac je ne bi smio koristiti olak\u0161icu na zadnjem obra\u010dunu pla\u0107e za biv\u0161eg radnika\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">samo PK sa zelenim pe\u010datom (stari originali) se vra\u0107aju u PU, nove elektroni\u010dke PK se nikome ne vra\u0107aju<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">prije bilo kakve izmjene PK poslodavac mora ishoditi pismenu suglasnost radnika !<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">PU \u0106E NAPISATI O\u010cITOVANJE I OBJAVITI OBZIROM NA BROJNE NEDOUMICE KOJE SU SE POJAVILE !<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"> Tako\u0111er \u0107e obavijestiti sve ispostave u kojima je zamije\u0107eno upu\u0107ivanje radnika na poslodavca da to vi\u0161e ne rade.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"> Ako radnik do\u0111e u PU oni moraju napraviti PK !<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Novo: PU\u00a0Izdavanje i upis promjena na PK kartici od 1. sije\u010dnja 2018. &#8211; naj\u010de\u0161\u0107e postavljena pitanja LINK Pri\u010da oko dostupnosti poreznih kartica putem sustava e-porezna je krenula sa &#8220;Zakonom o porezu na dohodak&#8221; NN 115\/16 LINK\u00a0(\u010dlanak 26. Zakona). Zakon, koji je objavljen krajem 2016. godine predvi\u0111ao je implementaciju PK kao dio servisa e-porezna od 01.01.2018. 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